News - Britain’s secret sex survey
Posted on April 11, 2008
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| The Kinsey Report of 1948 famously lifted the lid on American sexual behaviour. But when a similar study was conducted in Britain the following year, the findings were so outrageous they were suppressed. Only now have they been revealed.
One in four men admitted to having had sex with prostitutes, one in five women owned up to an extra-marital affair, while the same proportion of both sexes said they had had a homosexual experience.
Each had their own tactics, but it could start with striking up a friendly, innocuous conversation with a stranger in the High Street.
The combination of such repressed attitudes and couples being forced into wedlock, led to many long, unhappy, or at the very least, “sufferable”, marriages.
Men and women resorted to adulterous affairs and men to prostitutes, with whom they could act out the sort of fantasies they could never tell their wives about.
“In some ways it’s a good thing,” said one interviewee, a married RAF pilot. “You get people who are not suited but can make a happy family apart from the matter of sex so he goes somewhere to satisfy his lust.” Rose Hacker believes the stifling reticence about all things sexual meant “a great many men were impotent” in marriage. They saw their wives as pure, but could have sex with a prostitute who would fit any bill they wanted to design for her, she says. “They could abuse her or they could have any kind of kinky sex or use bad language and that was the only way that they could be potent.”
The war too is thought to have contributed to the high number of homosexual experiences logged in the survey. One in five respondents - male and female - had had one, a higher number than today. This, at a time, when was both illegal and an utter taboo in most circles. “I think that’s a terrible thing,” said one female interviewee, “really I can’t describe it, it makes me feel embarrassed to be near anyone, like that.” Yet it was these sort of inhibitions that saw Little Kinsey’s findings mothballed before they could be published. Although the Sunday Pictoral, which helped finance it, ran a few pieces in the summer of 1949, the bulk of the findings were too shocking and dangerous to be made public. The effect, says sexologist Dr Hera Cook, only perpetuated people’s discomfort about sex. “That meant that people could go on denying pre-marital sex existed,” she says, “that men had homosexual experiences, that they went to prostitutes, that the old sexual morality was still intact when in fact it was crumbling all around them and a new modern sex world was emerging.” Little Kinsey will be shown on BBC Four on Wednesday 5 October, at 2200 BST.
Your comments:
Why do people find this so surprising? I can see no reason to think that people in the 1940s would have different sexual desires to people today, or for example to people in medieval times, or to the ancient greeks.
Nothing changes, in 1994 Margaret Thatcher’s government refused to fund the study “Sexual Behaviour in Britain, The National Survey of Sexual Attitudes & Lifestyles” because they didn’t like the results. This would have been suppressed had it not been for the Wellcome Foundation providing funds.
My nan reguarly gets tipsy at christmas and proceeds to inform the entire family about all the american soldiers she ‘had’ during the war. As she puts it ‘Well I could have died the next day’.
My Great Aunt, admited that the sight of the officers caps lined up on the table at the back of the church, when my brother got married remined her of what a good war she had. This comment made no sence until I read the books by Mary Wesly. Never again will I look at the women lined up in the post office collecting their pension in the same way!
And they say that the country has been becoming more sex-obbsessed since the war. Yes, we do talk about sex a lot now, and regardless of what the Armerican neo-conservatives and religious right tell us, were probably all much happier and healthier as a result.
One of the most interesting experience of my adolescence was to listen to a conversation of few mothers. They were all in a ‘happy’ marriage, teaching their children about moral and about sex after marriage. And there they were, gathered in the hall of my building to collect the mail, and saying “if I had to go back, I will not marry. I will be a single mother.” I was really shocked and also pleasantly amused to see that all my friend’s mother married because pregnant.
I don’t find this surprising at all. Next we’ll be finding out that the general population likes to take drugs as well, and that it’s not restricted to some sort of underclass. Unless, of course, that gets swept under the carpet for 50 years.
This news is interesting but needs to be treated with circumspection. After all, despite the media’s hype around the American Kinsey report, it fails to meet modern standards for qualitative and quantitative statistical research, and reveals serious bias. Kinsey’s report has been fairly thoroughly discredited by decades of more recent research in similar fields, showing that his findings were exaggerated, inflated or fraudulent.
So what’s changed since then? Most men still hide their homosexual experiences and their experiences with prostitutes. I’m secretly bisexual and the few times It is always fascinating to see the chasm between popular perceptions and reality, especially when it comes to heavily emotive subjects like sex. As my grandmother often observed, “There’s nothing new under the sun.” I think the british are still too hung up on sex and are very closed minded. Only this last year my son had a lesson at school (aged 13) and was told that pornography is responsible for rapes and similar sex crime. Luckily my son is more broadminded than his teachers and told us over dinner that evening. My wife, son and I have never laughed as much. The more serious side of this issue is that there are now children out there who are believing that they are somehow sexual perverts if they find films and magazines sexually stimulating. I wonder what their future holds. Are the British sexually suppressed - the answer is definitely yes. However we are getting better. Very interesting Yet another example of the establishment’s paranoia about publishing a document while the Americans did publish Kinsey. Has anything changed in the last 50 yrs? Next they will be finding out that society used to drink to much then, there were ruthless violent crimes that there was not enough police to manage the crime so much of it went un reported, in fact the only thing thats really different to the “good old days” is that now society is much more honest about what really goes on so people can’t pretend it’s not perfect and never will be. Some of the comments are heartbreakingly sad. Relationships - platonic or sexual - are such an important part of our life. Thank goodness we are moving away from this, albeit slowly. Interesting! Very interesting, I’ve always wondered about the old-fashioned attitudes towards sex and how Britain came to be sexually repressed for a while. I love this. Next time my Grandma says “Back in my day…” I will find it very hard not to bring it up. I’d love to but I fear the shock would kill her. But then according to this maybe she’s not as innocent as I think. Thanks for your comments. The debate is now closed.
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News - New measures to tackle bird flu
Posted on April 9, 2008
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| Ministers are to introduce new measures to try to prevent a bird flu pandemic breaking out, Environment Secretary Margaret Beckett has told MPs.
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News - Guru accused of ‘human bone’ drug
Posted on April 8, 2008
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| An Indian communist has accused a popular yoga guru of using human bones and animal parts in herbal drugs produced by his pharmacy.
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News - France’s problem with capitalism
Posted on April 7, 2008
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When I first arrived in Paris after three years in Moscow, a Russian friend joked that France was the only truly successful communist country in the world.
At the time, I put that down to Russian humour.
How could a nation that gave the world joys such as champagne, or more than 200 different types of cheese, possibly be communist?
These days, though, I’m not so sure my Russian friend was joking.
Perhaps he had had a sneak preview of a recent survey, in which various countries were asked how they rated capitalism.
Three quarters of the Chinese said it was the best economic system for the future. But in France only a third of people agreed.
That came back to me earlier this week as I walked alongside the French strikers.
Impotent rage
Beneath the cherry trees just coming into bloom, they marched through Paris, the red of the trade unions’ balloons silhouetted against a cloudless spring sky.
The focus of their anger was the government’s latest attempt to create the more flexible labour market French employers say they need to create new jobs.
Official figures suggest a quarter of the under 26s are without work. Yet in reality, the anger was more diffuse - the jobs law being a focus for a kind of impotent rage against a globalised world and fears over France’s place in it.
Once the French bestrode the planet like a Colossus, exporting everything from their language to their culture.
France may have lost an empire, but in the 60s, 70s and 80s - those glorious decades here - she was once again the envy of the world. This was a nation of grand government projects: from its prowess to the languid delights of French cinema, from the thrill of the high-speed TGV to the charms of the equally racy Brigitte Bardot.
France had sophistication and fabulous food and wine, while all Britain could offer in the 70s was tinned Spam and mushy peas.
1970s Britain
My mother cooking by candlelight on a Calor gas stove.
Britain on a three-day week.
No electricity because the energy workers were on strike again. The shelves in the local shop yawned white and bare. No sugar and no bread - thanks to panic buying.
Not long afterwards, a prime minister called Margaret Thatcher took on the trade unions and changed Britain and its attitudes forever.
Here in France, a centre-right government has talked of reform but it has backed down again every time.
Perhaps France has not reached rock bottom as Britain had. The cafes here still brim with fresh baguettes and bottles of Bordeaux.
Few want a French Margaret Thatcher.
Seeking a French alternative
Instead, there’s a desperate hope that France can find a different way, a better way than the bumpy Anglo-Saxon path.
Time and time again, the French insist that capitalism as practised abroad simply does not work for France.
Yet big French companies might disagree.
From firms such as L’Oreal - which recently bought the Body Shop - to its international banks, French companies are all playing the Anglo-Saxon game.
Yet a journalist from Le Monde newspaper tells me France should follow the Scandinavian model, not that of the US, with its stark differences between the ghetto and the .
Nor the British model, where NHS dentists are a folk memory, like leprechauns - you hear talk of them but few believe they exist.
Social exclusion
But even under the French model of today, I already see so many inequalities.
Just look at the suburbs, the banlieues. Is it an equitable system that excludes up to 40% of people there from the world of work, offering them handouts for life instead?
The ghettoes already exist in France, even if their inhabitants have access to free health care and a decent dentist.
The riots here last November were a howl of despair from those excluded from the mainstream by virtue of being born poor or different, with a black face or a Muslim name.
This year it is France’s middle class young who are in revolt, the marches their own scream of angst, as their hopes of the comfortable life their parents enjoyed slowly fade.
For all its talk of equality, fraternity and liberty, France in this troubled springtime feels like a society at war with itself, suffering a deep and growing divide between its citizens.
A divide between the public and the private sector, between politicians and the people, between those in work and those without.
And the greatest gulf of all: between those who look into the future and see only fear and those who believe and hope that France can change.
From Our Own Correspondent was broadcast on Saturday, 8 April, 2006 at 1030 GMT / 1130 BST on BBC Radio 4. Please check the programme schedules for World Service times.
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French companies buy up foreign firms with gusto but woe betide the foreigner who tries a takeover in France
Yet as I walked alongside the strikers, I felt a weird sense of deja vu - as if in one nostalgic bound I was transported back to the Britain of the 1970s.
News - Wife’s ‘disbelief’ at betrayal
Posted on April 6, 2008
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| The he had been engaged in a long-standing affair left her feeling unloved, unwanted and “raw inside”, she told Cambridge Crown Court.
She and her husband, John, 58, had not had sex for 15 years, she said, and he had told her he was impotent and that his condition could not be treated.
The 61-year-old told Cambridge Crown Court she could not believe her husband would have sex with another woman after convincing her he was impotent. Mrs Foster said she had long suspected the affair between her husband and Miss Simpson - a family friend - but that he had dismissed her fears, even giving the impression he thought her unreasonable for voicing her concerns.
And so it was that Mrs Foster, consumed by “misery and despair” at the breakdown of her marriage, arrived at Lucy Cavendish College on 3 October last year, with a kitchen knife hidden in her handbag.
But her plan, she told Cambridge Crown Court, was to slash her own wrists in front of Miss Simpson if the meeting did not go well. “I’ve been married to John for 35 years and I couldn’t imagine life without him. I never meant to kill her. I never meant to hurt her. I meant to kill myself,” she told detectives in interviews. “I took a knife from my kitchen and if it was obvious after talking to her that nothing was going to go right I was going to kill myself.” Miss Simpson, from Beckenham, south London, told the court that during their meeting “without warning” Mrs Foster climbed out of the chair and punched her in the stomach before attacking her with a knife.
“She went down to the bag on the floor, then she was up out of the chair and she hit me. It felt like a punch.” Miss Simpson told the court Mrs Foster was smiling. “She just looked very pleased with herself. “Everything was gleeful really.” In all, Miss Simpson was stabbed 17 times and felt certain she was “probably going to die”. Speaking after the verdict, Miss Simpson said her life had been saved by the “skill and expertise” of paramedics and the doctors at Addenbrooke’s Hospital. The undergraduate student lost the sight in one eye and suffered a punctured lung as a result of the attack. Mrs Foster told police she could recall asking Miss Simpson questions but that the next thing she remembered was being outside the room with a knife in her hand and Miss Simpson lying nearby. It was on the basis that she had no memory of the attack, coupled with her claim she had taken the knife to kill herself, that Mrs Foster entered not guilty pleas to all the charges.
And on Friday, the jury at Cambridge Crown Court cleared Mrs Foster on charges of attempted murder and causing grievous bodily harm with intent. They did, however, find her guilty of causing grievous bodily harm with no intent.
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News - UN calls for aid truce in Lebanon
Posted on April 5, 2008
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| The UN has called for a three-day truce between Israel and Hezbollah to allow for aid to enter southern Lebanon and for casualties to be removed.
“It’s been horrific… There is something fundamentally wrong with the war, where there are more dead children than armed men,” Mr Egeland said.
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Sport - NZ performance ‘one of the best’
Posted on April 4, 2008
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We were completely impotent 606 DEBATE: Can New Zealand win the World Cup?
New Zealand coach Graham Henry savoured his side’s 47-3 demolition of France in Lyon on Saturday by saying the display was “up there with the best”.
The All Blacks made a mockery of the game’s billing as a contest between the two top Test countries by romping to a seven-try victory.
“We played very well,” he said. “We’re enormously proud of the players.
“This win has given the guys confidence and it’s a for the World Cup. Hopefully we’ll get stronger.”
New Zealand’s comprehensive win over the World Cup hosts in Lyon underlined their status as tournament favourites for next year.
Henry made 10 changes to the side that defeated England last weekend and the former Wales coach said the form of his players had created a nice selection headache.
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“There’s a lot of competition for places and that’s a very positive thing,” Henry said.
“It’s a good problem to have and selection’s not going to be easy.
“It’s now up to the selectors to do their job. It’s a very sign going forward.
“We could play any number of players in the squad of 22. We’ve got a group of 32 players and any of them could play. Everybody’s put their hand up.”
And Henry said it was fitting that the came on Armistice Day as he referred to the sacrifices made by New Zealand’s war dead.
“Our players showed a lot of courage and backbone,” added Henry.
“They weren’t only playing for the All Blacks but a lot of people who sacrificed so much.
“There was a huge amount of to play well.”
New Zealand now travel to Paris for the second Test against France next weekend and skipper Richie McCaw says Les Bleus should not be taken lightly.
“The French will be hurting,” said the open-side flanker. “They will have new motivation to come back and perform next week.
“For us we have to get back to preparing to play like we did in Lyon.”
France coach Bernard Laporte was scathing of his side’s display, which led to the players being jeered from the pitch.
“We were completely impotent,” he said. “We weren’t able to react in any way and we feel very inferior.
“There is a huge gap between us and them. We have to work hard and be more come Saturday.
“We will try to become true rivals. It’s true we thought we’d be more competitive than that.
“The French players have worked well but the All Blacks are stronger. They run 100m in 10 seconds, us in 12 seconds. They are superior athletically and are quick with the ball.
“But we also made life very easy for them and didn’t get into the game enough ourselves.”
News - Court hears celibate ostrich case
Posted on April 3, 2008
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A German farmer is suing two boys, claiming they left his ostrich impotent after throwing firecrackers at it.
Gustav’s owner says that for six months after the 2005 attack the bird lost his lust for life, had no interest in sex and was depressed and apathetic.
In usual , the owner says, he would have fathered chicks worth 5,000 euros (3,400) in that period.
The boys admit harassing the bird but say they only threw pebbles. Court talks have failed to settle the row.
Gustav’s owner - in the eastern town of Bautzen - rejected a package in which the accused would pay a vet bill of 140 euros and also work for 40 hours on the ostrich farm.
He demanded that the two work 100 hours each on the land, but the boys dismissed his plan as “fantasy”.
Following the failure to agree a settlement, the judge is trying to find an expert who can evaluate the state of the bird. The evaluation will be at a further court hearing.
The ostrich hens have been laying eggs since the middle of last year, suggesting Gustav’s capabilities have been restored.
News - Husband was obsessed, jurors told
Posted on April 2, 2008
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| A woman accused of to murder her husband’s lover told jurors he was “dishonest and disloyal” and had become obsessed with a woman he met at work.
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News - Medicine contained impotency drug
Posted on April 1, 2008
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Ingredients of drugs like Viagra have been found in medicines being sold in six Chinese herbal shops in NI.
Inspections carried out by the health department found five products containing Sildenafil, one of the main ingredients of Viagra.
The adulterated items had names like Dragon Power and King 100% Natural Male Tonic.
Dr Mike Mawhinney, who carried out the inspections, said anyone concerned should contact their GP or pharmacist.
He said drugs like Viagra “should only be given on “.
“The department would advise them to… bring the product along with them, explain that they have taken them, explain that they have learned that they may be adulterated,” he said.
“Their GP or pharmacist will know what to do.”
At the moment there is nothing to prevent anyone setting up a Chinese medicine shop, so reputable s are calling for the profession to be regulated.
Dr Rifang How, a member of the British Register of Chinese Medicines, said that until there was regulation, patients should check that their practitioner is suitably qualified.
“For patients, it is very essential to go the qualified practitioner and after having a full consultation, get the herbs or products from approved suppliers,” she said.
“Patients should be very confident with all the products they have got and confident with the service they have got.”
‘Element of emotion’
However, Dr Hugh McGavock, a , is against people taking any kind of herbal medicine.
“They are impure, they are unstandardised - you can’t be sure of the dosage from one batch to the next, they have multiple plant chemicals in them,” he said.
“They are not just pure, natural substances and they mostly have a very, very low…. effectiveness. So you are actually paying to get almost nothing.
“There is a huge element of emotion in this. It’s what doctors call the placebo effect. All medicines, if given with enough enthusiasm will do you good, even if there’s almost nothing in them.
“”My general advice would be if you want magic, go to a magician. If you want medicine go to a doctor or a pharmacist.”
BBC Northern Ireland health correspondent Dot Kirby said: “Chinese medicine has been around for 2,000 years.
“Now unscrupulous practitioners are tarnishing its reputation. The regulation of the components of herbal medicines is already tightening.
“Some hope that the regulation of the actual practitioners is not far behind.”
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